Warning: This is obsolete!

HyperKitty is the new archiver for the Mailman 3 suite.

The Pipermail archiver inside Mailman is over 10 years old at this point, and was modelled on an even older program, Hypermail.  Expectations have changed, and the archiver could use some modernizing.


Following list is taken from the Mailman 2.2 page.

Vague notions

Store message data in SQL database instead of mailboxes?

Pro: may offer fast database text search features; moving a list will only require copying the SQL database;
will have transaction support where possible.

Con: can't use grep, other Unix-type tools; database will consume a lot more disk.


Templating probably needs to be added to Mailman before the archiver can be developed.

Other sources of information/ideas

Discussion on improved archives and stable URLs
Máirín Duffy's rich interface for mailing lists mockup


Barry Warsaw

Good stuff Andrew, here are a couple of other thoughts:

  • imap access to the archives, readonly for most people, write access for admins
  • "send me this message" link so that if you're reading an article in the archive, you can click this link to get a real copy sent to you. may not be as important w/nntp or imap access. perhaps integrate with an email comment (i.e. 'send message-id')
  • we talked about perhaps have a tinyurl-like alternative access to the message (though this probably isn't the definitive url)
  • integration w/digester so we can have new kind of "summary-with-links" digest
  • if we use the original message's message-id, we need to have a policy for dealing w/collisions
Ethan Fremen

I appear to have almost closed (knock on wood) a contract to finish my webui stuff and to improve archiving, so I would love to help on this.

Julian Mehnle

You should check out Lurker as a 3rd-party archiver. Integration of Lurker with Mailman could be somewhat improved (especially the UI), but it works quite well already.

Generally, I don't think Mailman should try to create its very own archiver. It's just not Mailman's core competency.

MailmanWiki: DEV/ModernArchiving (last edited 2015-01-12 00:56:13 by SumanaHarihareswara)